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Mastering (Virtual) Presence, coach and facilitator Mike Sagun in conversation for the Conversation Factory
Daniel Stillman is an NY based facilitator, wearing many hats towards 'designing conversations for a living'. At YCN, our facilitators have benefitted from his guidance and teaching — incorporating many of his beliefs and structures into the sessions we deliver. Daniel's regular podcasts are also a great source of practical inspiration, and the episode highlighted here is no exception. In it, Daniel speak with fellow coach and facilitator Mike Sagun.
The first 25 minutes of their conversation focus on Mike's work leading and facilitating 'Men's groups' — a fascinating area if you've not yet come across it. From there they dig into some practical insights around creating inclusive spaces virtually; in which groups can feel safe and able to work collaboratively. In his facilitation of Men's Groups, Mike is creating a very particular kind of space — and Daniel draws from him some principles and practices to transfer to our own group situations.
We've summarised some key takeouts from their conversation below, linked to the episode in full and shared some other related and recommended resources and courses.
Key insights and takeaways
A lovely way of framing what Daniel believes the secret of good facilitation to be overall. Nothing too complicated, just simple practices intentionally and honestly observed.
Mike works hard to greet people as personally and actively as he can at the beginning of sessions. One practice he describes is asking people how to pronounce their name, or if he's pronounced it correctly. Another tip for good connection is to use mindfulness practice, like observing a minute's silence at the start of a session, to close-out on what came before and to create a clean slate to connect with what's coming.
Safety and comfortable connection comes from smaller groups, so be intentional about smaller group sizes when making use of breakouts. It's guidance that's reminiscent of the generative conversation that unfolds when using the Liberating Structures 1-2-4-All principle. Another nice idea here was to assign 'captains' of breakout groups, someone that will perhaps take notes — or be primed to share back what was discussed. Or, ask the group to nominate a captain.
Daniel describes his chest being 'tight with fear', ahead of a breakout conversation where the instruction isn't clearly set. As facilitators we should not assume that our session participants will be clear on what the purpose of a breakout is. Use on screen prompts, check for understanding or otherwise provide really clear details of what we want groups to do when they're breaking out. After a year in lockdown, most of us know the feeling of being in breakout group with awkward silence. Let's not go there again!
Mike talks about the power of 'passing the mic', assigning roles among the group so participants are stepping up and stepping in to support the flow of a session. Daniel describes this as 'giving jobs away', so you can focus on the things you know you need to get done. An added benefit is that being given something to do gives workshop participants a sense of purpose and co-creation.
Good to know
Priya Parker's The Art of Gathering offers some broad and brilliant ideas on bringing intention to the way we hold spaces for groups. Find a breakdown of the book here.
School of Facilitation co-founder, and YCN associate Kirsty Lewis is shortly leading our next live Facilitating Remote Groups session. If you're keen to continually sharpen your facilitation smarts, and haven't yet experienced it — do sign up for the session here.
Daniel Stillman's (pictured) Conversation Factory website is full of brilliant past podcast conversations, templates and resources to enjoy and try out.
Daniel and Mike discuss the power for facilitators in getting to 'Level 3' listening. The Levels of listening are something we cover in our Are You Listening? session, which you can sign up for here.
And we've a 15 minute, self-directed eCourse on listening skills here too.